Notes on Jan Cox Talk 3177 by Cfish - The Three positions ( Sort of )

Jan Cox Talk 3177 - July 27, 2004
Copyright Jan Cox. Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Cfish October 2017

Suggested Title: The Three Positions of Consciousness  (Sort Of) 

Begin:  Last time I was talking about the two positions of consciousness. (automatic mode/sleeping mode and the other mode/the awake mode) I was getting to the description of a sort of third mode or position.

But before I go there, there is another idea connected to it.  The idea is that you cannot get gradually better at this. (waking up/the other position) And like any good statement, about any immaterial object, the opposite could be said.

So I could also say that waking up/enlightenment is a gradual process. But tonight, preferring to be truthful, you don’t gradually get better at this. You folks know you feel better after a few years of effort. (ex. self remembering)

And you feel like you are getting somewhere.  But if you can look in a certain way,  consciousness either naturally runs in automatic mode or it’s remembering to investigate consciousness running in  automatic mode. 

05:00  And by remembering to investigate the automatic running of consciousness, it immediately takes you out of the automatic mode into the other mode/empty box mode. So you are either in automatic mode or not.

Thinking that most/maybe all of you have yet to see it completely. Reads: “That everything that goes on in your consciousness under all ordinary conditions is totally automatic.” And it has nothing to do with you individually.

The automatic running of consciousness  is just there. And with automatic consciousness, the unquestioned sensation is “this is me”, doing all this thinking, and the feelings that go along with the thinking.

10:00   Another way to look at the ordinary running of consciousness, is to look back at the memories of your internal life, (ex. intangible hatreds, prejudices, political beliefs,) and that it really hasn’t changed to any noticeable degree.

15:00  It’s shocking and discouraging, if you have the determination to keep looking, that your PHD educated, worldly and sophisticated mind is the same automatic running consciousness you had when you were a know nothing fifteen year old.

20:00  What goes on internally, who you are internally, (physically and hormonally you have changed) those beliefs and prejudices are still there. Seeing and realizing this is liberating and it spurs you on.

So you don’t gradually get better at this other mode/waking up. You feel like you do and I would not tell anyone after years of effort, they were not making progress. What happens is you develop three positions of consciousness:

The automatic/asleep mode, the other mode/awake mode,  and then yet another mode/the third position. Not so much a third position, but a gradual shift in the relationship between the automatic/asleep mode and the other/awake mode. 

25:00  It is not that you are partially in automatic mode or partially in the other mode, but something does happen and it gets harder to stay in automatic mode. Maybe its the idea that being a conservative is important in life. It becomes a ‘et tu Brutus’ moment. Enough of you chuckled at that that it makes me want to believe I made it clear. Automatic consciousness is just running as is proper for you genetically.

But it’s not personal. Over the years when you initially discovered the ideas of man is asleep and can awaken and the methods (ex. self observation, self remembering, counting breaths, etc.) all of these indirectly take you out of the automatic/asleep mode.

30:00  And put you into the other mode/awake mode. And it seems to be a running battle. You may even forget the other mode for days, weeks, or even months. But with the third position, its harder to go for even a day and not remember the goal. 

35:00 The third position operates so that you go into automatic mode only briefly. The things your consciousness thinks about in automatic mode (ex. pontificating bullshit) are the very things that jolt you out of automatic mode.

Falling back into automatic is no longer the big deal it use to be because within a few seconds something in ordinary consciousness, something preachy, something judgmental, something dogmatic, jolts you out of it.

40:00  But not only does this sort of third position make “being asleep/automatic consciousness less annoying, it makes it more annoying. But it’s only worse for a split second. If you keep on with this, you don’t worry about being permanently awake. And I am not sure I would want that.  

End 44:25

Notes on Jan Cox Talk 3176 - the Empty Box

Jan Cox Talk 3176 - 21 July 2004
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by cfish September 2017

Suggested Title: The Empty Box

Begin:  What are folks listening with and reading with when they listen and read? (me and my thoughts) The thing that makes us human is simply “what’s going on” in consciousness. It’s a non ending stream of words and pictures.

05:00  And if you sit and listen, this non ending stream of words and pictures, the talking part of the brain, consciousness is fully automatic. It’s tricky to see and understand.

Consciousness has two running positions. The automatic mechanical mode and the other one. I’ve been looking at this for a lifetime and have named the other position/mode other things but that is pretty much it.

You can produce a third one I will get to in a minute, but in the beginning there are only two modes. When in the automatic mode of consciousness (ex. being asleep, distracted) for ordinary people, there is no way to realize it.

10:00  Think back to when you were fifteen years old, and the hormones and neurons were percolating. That was consciousness not having awareness of its state.  That is the ordinary state of consciousness.

If you hear that ordinary consciousness runs automatically and make an effort to investigate it - you meet with a hundred percent failure. Ordinary consciousness/your consciousness cannot see its automatic for one reason.

15:00  When your consciousness asks “am I in automatic mode?,” you go out of automatic mode. And with nothing going on in the other mode you are back in the normal, ordinary consciousness of automatic mode within seconds. 

It could be months, years, before memory feeds consciousness the idea it is automatic again. Consciousness can’t see it is running automatically in the other mode/empty box mode because it is no longer running automatically. 

Even you folks, when in the other mode can feel like the pacific ocean is at your back. When you try to look at consciousness, it goes into the other mode. That’s what I call it personally, and what most of the mystics call “waking up.” 

20:00  And something I can’t explain, the other position “almost locks in.” That’s the paradigm for every mystical experience. But consciousness never “locks in” to the other position. You would be unconscious. 

Since I am making up the third position I can tell you how it comes about. It comes about from bringing on “the other position.”   When I try to look/investigate the words and pictures of the inner world, consciousness goes into the other position.

And for an instant nothing is going on.  And for an instant you are suddenly more conscious than you have ever been. Your hearing and sight improve. In the beginning it looks useless, maybe like wasting time.

25:00  But that is probably just the amazon river of ordinary automatic consciousness taking back over.  Consciousness has to be talking about why it is doing the looking at itself. Ordinary consciousness needs a verbal description.

Ordinary consciousness has to hear itself. (ex  the religious praying for improving health) As far as we can tell, off the subject, there is nothing in the universe that can compare with the power and know how of consciousness.

Does consciousness run unconditionally in an automatic mode? Consciousness understands that sentence and consciousness looks and by looking it switches itself from automatic mode to that other mode. (ex. being awake)

30:00  Let me give you a simple description of “the other mode.” The other mode is mostly an empty box. And when you are in the “empty box mode” you are more alert than normal, but you are left with nothing.

And without supernatural effort, within a few seconds, you are back in the normal, ordinary, automatic mode and you are not aware of it because you are back in the automatic running  mode of ordinary consciousness.

Once you start switching modes from the ordinary/automatic mode to the other/empty box mode, and you do it for a while you start developing the third mode/position. Which is a combination of the two modes.

The third mode is delightful and irritating. You can feel the amazon river of ordinary/automatic consciousness coming and when you look, the first thought is about being out of automatic/ordinary mode.

It could take years to develop the third mode. But maybe you can get good at it and you can take yourself out of the automatic/ordinary mode just by looking. Just remember “my consciousness is not watching consciousness.”

So you immediately look and you never look in automatic/ordinary mode. That’s why ordinary people wonder what the hell are you talking about. Consciousness in automatic mode can’t look.

35:00  Is remembering to look completely mechanical? Figuratively, its a devilish affair. Because you don’t gradually return to the automatic mode. (ex. running a mile you start out slowly and then pick up the pace.)

Consciousness switches from the automatic mode to the other/empty box mode in an instant. Even if you can’t remember the exact thoughts when it switched, you can probably remember they were thoughts about nothing to think about.

40:00  It is probably from this last observation (thoughts about nothing to think about) that civilians came up with the rinky dink notion of irony.  Nothing puts you back into automatic consciousness.  Except being human.

Until it hits you “that everything that goes on in ordinary consciousness, unless you are willfully standing there at every moment, everything else is totally automatic”, you can’t see what to do, with the other position.

45:00  Ordinary consciousness can’t stop and look even for a second. (thinking that’s not literally true but it’s operationally true.) Keep looking until it hits you that consciousness has two positions. (totally automatic and the other position)

If you are not in the other position/the empty box position (there is no doubt when you are) the rest of the time your inner life (beliefs, aspirations, plans, etc.) is absolutely mechanical. There is nothing more fun than tracking that down.

50:00  I will get around to the third position next time. The third position makes remembering that there is another position easier.  Automatic consciousness is so normal I don’t see how we get out of it. But just trying to is the most fun in the world. 

Automatic consciousness is like an endless train and when you look at the endless train of thoughts and pictures, it’s not there. It’s the other mode/the empty box mode. But the third position smooches the two modes together. 

End 52:49

Jan Cox Talk 3170 - Notes by cFish

Jan Cox Talk 3170 - 7 July 2004
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Fish July 2017

Suggested Title: Willfully Conscious (Listen to Yourself Talk)

Begin:  Something that came to me in a news story and something you can use to keep you willfully conscious. The news story was about one of the benefits of not being “willfully conscious.” You don’t have to listen to yourself.

Another benefit of not being willfully conscious is the idea of the partnership.  When people talk, they say things like “I think”, that if you listen, it’s like a partnership, something is talking in your head and something hears it talk.

Normally, nobody really thinks about it.  But a distinct manifestation of ordinary consciousness, one in which it is not truly aware, simply, ordinary consciousness does not listen to itself. Ordinarily, people say they do listen to themselves.

05:00 it’s fairly easy to listen to yourself. It may take a few minutes. But after a few tries, you can realize the way in which you can listen to yourself, you ordinarily do not listen to yourself.  It’s along the lines of a certain investigation.

You “listen to yourself talk” then you forget to listen, by going back to the ordinary running of consciousness, then you remember what you were trying to investigate, and you’ve got a second or two window, and then its gone.

Maybe the last scenes of what my consciousness was showing, or the words that were going on. But I am aware of more than the last few seconds of what was going on in consciousness, when I remember to listen myself. 

The last few seconds of running consciousness, when I look and listen, I can realize that there are major scenes that play over and over. And you don’t have to rewind the scene much to know what the scene was about.

10:00   Tonights point: Remembering your new investigation (listening to your self). remembering you’re back asleep. remembering you are back in ordinary consciousness, simply remembering you are asleep takes you out of it.

But you only have a few seconds to latch on to the last few seconds of what was going on, of the scenes of ordinary consciousness. And compare that with the state you have willfully produced right now.

And its clear, that you were not really listening. In a sense, you were listening, or you could not be aware of the last few seconds of ordinary consciousness. (being asleep)  Ordinary people say they do listen to themselves.

But if you look around at folks, if they’re not reading from a script,  people continually misspeak, Its the nature of ordinary consciousness. People do not listen to themselves, ordinarily, because it’s not required. They never think about it.

15:00  In a sense, people do listen themselves talk, but it’s not with the same awareness, that can be used. If ordinary consciousness is challenged, it can remember something from a minute ago but sometimes it’s seriously not listening.

20:00  If ordinary consciousness is not planning, it’s talking, it is not really listening. If you want to listen to yourself talk all you have to do is make yourself willfully conscious.  Maybe you can listen to yourself talk already.

But if you become willfully conscious while you talk you will become aware in a way no one can describe verbally. Through the years folks have tried to describe this (ex being asleep, being awake). You can still enjoy the terms but you don’t need them.

25:00  It’s a feeling when you make yourself “willfully conscious.” Even if the brain, by all accounts, has no feelings. And even after the fact of making yourself willfully conscious, you can hear what you were thinking the last few seconds.

And you realize when you compare the ordinary state of consciousness, to the feeling of “willfully conscious”, that in the ordinary state you were not really listening. It’s as though the ordinary state is not fully operative.

The ordinary state is spending energy talking and listening. If you unify the talking and listening (the partnership, Smith and Jones, etc.) into a one man operation (ex. willfully conscious) its like pulling the cotton out of your ears.

30:00 I propose “listen to yourself talk,” and when quiet “attentive to your thinking” as a tool,  as a new specific investigation. Use it to monitor the poor quality of your hearing when you are in your ordinary state of consciousness. 

35:00 Compare the momentary “willfully conscious” state to the ordinary state of thinking and talking. Ordinarily, there is a minimal vague awareness of what you’re thinking and talking. And it doesn’t matter.  
   And don’t you find that spooky? 

end 38:45

Notes on Jan Cox Talk 3169 by cFish

Jan Cox Talk 3169 - July 5, 2004
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Fish July 2017

Suggested Title:  Can a Heartbeat Wander Away from the Heart?

Begin:  The last couple of weeks I have been describing things, that refer to the conscious areas of the brain, (where everything, not only the answers, but also the questions, exist.) in a physical way.

But I was again considering the metaphorical picture of the dog of consciousness/attention as being really yummy. Personally, I like my descriptions as literally as possible, but that is not always shared by everyone.

Several years ago I mentioned that attention was like a dog, and it was continually chasing carsthat drove by the house. Metaphorically, the cars the dog chased was the everyday stuff we see, hear, and read. (ex. TV news, etc.)

05:00  Ordinary consciousness could exaggerate their understanding of the dog in the yard, as their everyday attention. The ordinary could see the dog leaving the yard to chase cars as a metaphor for their attention. 

But when ordinary attention is asked “what is their yard” (metaphorical dog’s yard) and if ordinary thought is still interested, I speculate the ordinary would say their brain. But is that the best description of “what’s going on?”

10:00  Can consciousness get out of your brain and go somewhere? Some mystics may bring up an “out of the body experience.” And to consciousness that picture does not cost anymore money than the question.

Consciousness at its most unruly doesn’t get out of your brain. Consciousness can picture earth from above but that’s because it has seen pictures taken from spacecraft. Consciousness can conjure up pictures from memory.

15:00  It’s not an analog or digital memory, it’s electrical and chemical energy. When ordinary consciousness says something is true, no matter how outlandish, who is in the brain to say “Hey wait a minute?” Nobody.

20:00 Don’t worry. I haven’t lost the subject. We are talking about the dog in the yard. Saying “this is what I think” is the same thing as saying they experience “out of the body” consciousness. But it’s just “out of the brain” consciousness.

Just like South American drug money is laundered, the brain launders the “out of the body” (ex. flying over a South American city) experience. The point: You better know what “your consciousness” is doing all the time.

25:00  Is there a difference between a spiritual dream you have, and thinking and saying it’s Cinderella, but the guy you are telling the dream to is thinking that sounds like Snow White? You can’t go wrong.

Back to the dog in the yard. The dog in the yard is not conscious consciousness. The dog in the yard is the consciousness people are used to. But it’s not your consciousness, anymore than its your dog, your thoughts.

Nothing in your brain is controlling consciousness under ordinary conditions. Your immediate response could be that maybe that’s not true. But if you keep looking (maybe with a wink) as often as you can, that alone will make a man realize everything. 

It sounds correct, that the dog (attention) chases after sights and sounds continually, that it continually leaves the yard while chasing sights and sounds, and that if you keep it in your yard it is more or less under your control.

30:00  But it’s faulty symbolism. Your consciousness, your thoughts, never leave your brain. Your thoughts and consciousness can conjure up conversations, both real and imaginary, and it can picture places it has seen.

But consciousness never left the brain. The dog never leaves the yard. Even the ordinary may be able to see that ordinary thought is like an unruly dog (ex. “my mind wanders’) but it does not, cannot wander from the brain, the yard.

35:00  Consciousness cannot wander from the brain anymore than a heartbeat can wander from the heart.  But something happens. So if consciousness/attention is not leaving a place, what’s going on?

I will tell you next time. I just wanted you folks to hear the question. If ordinary consciousness is out of control, (few folks admit it, ex. my mind wanders occasionally) and it’s man’s normal state, what does out of control mean?

40:00  If consciousness is needed for a physical problem, it is suddenly there. But when the mind wanders, it does something spatially somewhere. I hope I can come up with an answer next time.   

End 41:25

added Jan Cox Talk 1025

The talks from 1000 to 1999 are on jancox2.com
So the link is

http://www.jancox2.com/jancoxtalk-1025

Summary by TK

#1025 Sep 16, 1992 – 1:20 [5582]

Kyroot to :36.

If it were possible to have plans without a flaw, plans wouldn't be needed in the first place.
All reformations are a form of incest, a refining of plans with perceived flaws.

// To pluralize a process is to make it into something else.
// More forces bring men together than have any plan for them.
// Audio-only :20. Gossip is the proper news of the Secondary Level World.

Jan Cox Talk 3168 - Notes by Cfish " The Grand Distraction"

Jan Cox Talk 3168 - 02 July 2004
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Cfish June 2017

Suggested Title: The Grand Distraction

Begin:  If you find the way - in your position - to do what I have been trying to describe - you free yourself from “the grand distraction.”  That is the feeling that consciousness in us, in everybody, has produced in us that there is an internal opposition.

The internal opposition could be religious (ex. evil v. good), psychological (ex. subconscious trauma), historically (ex. demons), and at the very least that there could be a “you” and your thoughts. 

Ordinary thoughts may not agree until the feeling, the realization, hits you of what an overwhelming “grand distraction” and illusion it has been for you and everyone. Once you see it,   you can see it in everyone.

It’s as though people are translating their thoughts into words. The “grand distraction” keeps you from realizing that there is only one thing you are conscious of - and that is consciousness. 

05:00  There are two states of consciousness. The ordinary, non conscious consciousness. (the grand distraction) where one is submerged in “my thoughts” and ”my opinions” and the other state “conscious of consciousness.”

In the non conscious consciousness (ex. my thoughts) you can understand nothing. Everyone is full of things they think they know. (Last time I mentioned “consciousness spends most of its time not knowing what to do.”)

09:00  Your consciousness is full of threats (ex. climate change based on science, terrorism, etc.) It gives consciousness something to be concerned about. But your consciousness is full of worries and threats it can do nothing about.

Assuming you are not at work, figuring out an intellectual problem, “your consciousness” spends most of its time not knowing what to do. So what does consciousness do? It looks outside itself to other people’s ideas.

13:00 Consciousness shares the same instinct as the rest of the body, so consciousness wants to do something about “climate change” for example, but climate change is not the direct physical threat a rabid dog or flood waters could be. You can for example google climate change.

15:00  Your consciousness is aware of indirect threats that from an individual’s view “it does not know what to do.” There is the basis for human culture.  There is the basis of all writing. There is the basis of all literature, art, painting, movies, songs and religion and whatever I am leaving out.

Climate change is an example of a problem only human consciousness or  culture is aware of. That’s why a few years ago I started splitting technology and culture. When consciousness sees an external problem it often finds a cure.

20:00 If not a permanent cure, then a remedial treatment, or it could be the circular route of the X-ray machine. (ex. discovering radiation, X-rays, seeing a tumor) I hope you are enjoying this picture. Consciousness figured something out the rest of the body couldn’t.

25:00  But if you look at any problem that is not physical, not technological, that is intangible, something that has no physical cure, (ex. religion, etc.) consciousness doesn’t know what to do about it. ( no exceptions )

30:00  But does consciousness give up just because “it does not know what to do about it,” No, it looks to others. It can get kind of vague but looking to others, that is what religion, culture, literature, movies, etc., is.

35:00  Some folks may say they know what to do about these intangible problems, (ex. priests, psychologists) but they don’t know and they can’t cure an intangible problem. Here is the point.

You have got to see it to enjoy it fully. Ordinary consciousness, the part of the brain you call “you” what it is doing almost full time in civilized people, spends most of it’s time “not knowing what to do.” 

And then it does everything it can to keep from having to face it. (ex. talk to people, read, watch TV, Google, etc.) If you are ordinary, under ordinary conditions, alone, and looking up at consciousness, consciousness is doing anything other than “simply being conscious.”  

40:00  If consciousness were “simply being conscious” it could be aware of what I am describing. Consciousness is filled with problems, dangers, and threats that only consciousness knows about and does not know what to do.

Maybe the problem is that your wife is falling out of love with you. And consciousness cannot call upon any resource in the body to cure the problem. And consciousness does not know what to do.

And it will do almost anything to keep from facing that. 

It is so obvious that it is almost impossible to see.  Your ordinary consciousness is so busy keeping yourself distracted from facing it that it becomes impossible to discover. 

End  40:42 

Jan Cox Talk 3167 - Notes by Cfish

Jan Cox Talk 3167 - 30 June 2004
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Cfish June 2017

Suggested Title: Just Consciousness (Just Being Conscious)

Begin:  News flash: “Consciousness will do almost anything to keep from staying at home.”  If you pursue that, off on your own, something will hit you.  Side note: Without the cortex we could not talk. But it’s not distinct from the human mind.

05:00  Consider someone on a routine visit to a doctor being diagnosed with cancer, though he is symptom free. The doctor had a routine X-ray performed and was able to see the disease before the individual was aware of it.

Now consider the route modern medicine had to take to be able to see something that an individual consciousness was not aware of. Imagine the route the Xray machine had to take to see the cancer that saved your life.

10:00  Human consciousness, inseparable from the human body, and maybe more than a few cells at the cellular level, knew you were sick when the individual consciousness did not. Human consciousness saved your life. 

It is delightful to see. Human consciousness figured it out before individual consciousness did. Reasonably, it shouldn’t happen that way. Consciousness knows something that it does not know.

Consciousness had to go around in a circle, maybe it took a hundred years to make the X-rays work, but there you are not knowing you are sick directly, but indirectly human consciousness thru the X-rays discover the tumor.

15:00 Going back to the headline “ Consciousness will do almost anything to keep from staying at home by itself.” Let’s say you are sitting in the doctor’s office alone, expecting bad news and running thru all kinds of “bad news scenarios.” 

Maybe you remember your aim (ex. self remember) to be “more conscious,” but the mind is still caught up with things that are not the aim. I suggest instead of the term, being “more conscious,” it is, “You are, or you are not, conscious.”

20:00  You have to be conscious to know the other state is not conscious. So at this moment, you have to be aware, that the only thing in you is “consciousness.” Consciousness of the brain is not spooky, and its not metaphysical.

Consciousness, if you notice, anytime you want to notice, spends most of its time, (Jan pauses here longer than normal) “not knowing what to do.”  Picture being at the doctor, after reading an article about symptoms of a terminal illness.

25:00  Thinking that you have the symptoms described, what has consciousness been doing since reading the article, besides saying to itself “I may be dying?” Consciousness has spent all of its time “not knowing what to do.”

The only time it is free of the feeling (not knowing what to do) is when it is trying to solve a physical based problem, where there maybe some success. It’s a variation of the topic “man is constantly trying to fix stuff.”

So when consciousness reads about symptoms of a life threatening disease that matches their own, consciousness cannot do a thing about it. Except maybe call the doctor, but personally it doesn’t know what to do.

30:00  Consciousness is not loaded with first hand knowledge. (ex. tv news, wars, taxes, etc that are threats to health and wealth.) But how many of these threats do you know about thru direct experience?

35:00  Constant and indirect threats, that are only known to consciousness, (thru the news/media) and individual consciousness doesn’t have any idea what to do about it.  And how does consciousness handle it?

By never staying alone. Consciousness immediately looks for outside stimuli to put itself back to what mystics call being asleep. I say it looks for outside stimuli to keep it from being “conscious.”

So, do you know why you seldom see folks in a doctor’s office by themselves?  (last few years I’ve had some experience with this) Companionship is not it. It’s because they need someone to talk to.

40:00   The talking part of consciousness, the part that makes us human does not want to be alone, which I say is the true “being awake.”  Forget the extraordinary, enjoyable, enlightened experience that sometime come and go.

“Being Awake” is the conscious part of the brain stopped/naked, in the sense, “its just itself.” “Just Consciousness” by nature, is what consciousness does not want. (my term: does not want) It’s naturally repelled by “just consciousness.” 

45:00 Look and see. Will the talking part of the brain not do anything except be “just conscious?” To see that is to see everything. Then you understand every fucking thing you have ever thought about.

Consciousness totally submerges itself in other people’s thoughts. Consciousness has memories and it cannot be pushed into a corner and suddenly be “just conscious.”  That is the way I think about it nowadays.  

Just being conscious is being awake. When you see it, there is nothing else to call it. You are either conscious (which is consciousness) or you are not. If you are not conscious, you can’t know it.

50:00  If someone asks “what were you thinking” and the answer is anything but “I have no idea” they are asleep. The only way to know what you’re thinking is to be conscious. And if you are conscious, you are not thinking.  1:00:35

Almost all early Talks have audio now 1 - 144

Hello all listeners.  With just three exceptions all the talks from 1 to 144 now have audio.

Some of that audio is pretty rough, but you can get used to it.  We used to sit in the audience with a microphone - and if someone coughed, or if a fan was blowing -- well, let us just say that modern technology can only go so far in repairs.

Special Thanks to Tod for some nifty audio work in attempts to raise the dead.

Jan Cox Talk 2892 - Notes by Cfish

Jan Cox Talk 2892 - Sept 18, 2002 - 41min
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Cfish April 2017

Suggested Title: Absolutely Clueless - River of Thought
or “ Brain Waves and Me “

Begin:  Probably one of the greatest insults among sophisticated folks is to be labeled “absolutely clueless.” But if you were absolutely clueless you would not be asleep.

Being asleep and distracted you think you have some clues.  No you don’t. I understand that you think you do.

The things I mention to you folks are things I find useful. The terms ‘awakening’ and ‘enlightenment’ are terms that are not so cut and dried. In the beginning it gives you the feeling that there is something to study. Labeling yourself as someone seeking to awaken, to work on yourself, etc. is the only place to start and I don’t see any way to bypass that.

05:00  But I discovered if you believe you are studying your “sleeping self”, your dumb self, this belief has a built in limitation: you will never have the Realization. 

Don’t get me wrong, “What works for you, works for you.”  and if you hear anything here that verbally seems to contradict with what works for you, then go with yours.

You folks know how obscure and rare all this is. But its not about being awake or enlightened. There is no “you or me” that is “awake or asleep.”  That is the limitation , at the heart, of the terms awake and asleep. 

The term “realization” cuts out the “you or me” that may have flashes of states that appear to be a proper state, of being awake (ex. no bad thoughts, empty headed) but again, I don’t see any other way to start.

10:00  Religions and myths use the term “fallen from grace” when one is not in the proper state. The ordinary self assumes it is two different people. (ex. bad thoughts v. good thoughts)

Recognizing the distracted, sleeping, ordinary state and saying “i recognized it and it shook me more awake again”, is thinking ‘I’ am getting somewhere. It is an illusion, but a “necessary illusion.”
 
The Realization blows the “necessary illusion” apart. Today’s description:  All you have going on in the brain are simply two different states “brain waves” and the “me” created when you are not simply flowing with the brain waves.

15:00  Let’s say everyone’s brain waves are slightly different, (it doesn’t matter) but when you are in the brain waves and there is no you, assuming that your aim is to awaken, that is what folks like us call being asleep.

There is in a sense “no me” in any of us. There is no me until I think about it and interfere with the waves going on. Surely you folks know what I am talking about. It does not matter what you think about, but do it willfully, to interfere. It’s not allegory. The rest of the time, what I call thinking, is not thinking, it’s just automatic brain waves. 

Brain waves are like a river in which we all live - or a river that lives in all of us. A collective river, maybe with our own individual tributaries. It’s a “river of thought” that you have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Thoughts just flow thru everyone’s brain. And in that state there is “no me.” No one notices it, and it does no harm. It is only when the brainwaves are in the past do you label it the “sleeping state.”

20:00  When folks like us become aware of the brain waves replaying something worrisome, and we say “stop it” (even the ordinary person can do that) and if we continue with “I was just asleep, I got to stop it” that little comment just puts you back in the flow of the brain waves. You cease to exist.  You don’t know it because you are not there. Like Batman and Bruce Wayne, not only are they never there together, Batman never turns around and says,” Where’s Bruce ?”

The brain waves are not a bad me, or a sleeping me. There is no me. The only time there is a “me” is when I know there’s a “me.” It is as though the “me” is amidst the brain waves and its is up to you to extract it. That was my beginning view of it.

The operational truth, when there is a “me” (awareness of the brainwaves) the bullshit stops. As soon as you catch yourself asleep, you are no longer asleep. But it has taken decades to realize you are back asleep before you know it. There is no way TO know it - because when you are Batman, you don’t know you are Batman.

25:00  It requires effort for there to be a “me.” Brain waves are not a curse, but the natural state. And to not be in that state was unnatural. I could see reasons that life would not want us aware of the brain waves. (ex. no culture, civilization)

When people reminisce or complain, they know there is a me, but it is actually just the moment of switching from brain waves to me they enjoy. I see the “me’ as a distinct function of the brain that life produces throughout the day, but it cannot sustain itself.

30:00  The “me” amidst the brain waves is not arranged to sustain itself. It is a rogue operation of the brain, compared to what is necessary in keeping civilization and culture stable. 

It is only this “me” that has the potential to awaken.  The brain suppresses it. If I could stop an ordinary person, stop reality, allegorically, when he switched from “brain waves to me” I could point out things about life, that I point out to you folks, that ordinary people never see.

37:00  Brain waves always return to brain waves. Brain waves go on day and night, and it is the only place there is a “me”. 

There are only two states, “brain waves and me.” Forget that one is right and one is wrong, or one is asleep and one is awake. That allows you to see the possibility of “me.” Ordinary people would rather talk about “me.”

The ordinary brain is not trying to understand itself. A man may say his greatest joy is playing chess. But ask him how he got started playing chess and he (the “I”, the “me”) will tell you the story of his life.

40:00  The brain wants to talk about “me.” Why? Because at that moment, the brain goes from “brain waves to me,” for a split second. It is still enjoyable to realize that in my head, with no terms about being awake, asleep, or understanding anything. 

That is it.  Just realizing that, on my own, was so beneficial I can’t even tell you.  

(41:23)

 

Jan Cox Talk 2891 - Notes by Cfish

Jan Cox Talk 2891 - Sept 16, 2002 - (17:26)
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Fish April 2017 

Suggested Title: Life - Scrambled or the Omlette Itself

Begin:  For anything in life to make sense, you have to make comparisons. To even talk you must be cutting up reality, by making comparisons. The comparisons, intentional or unintentional, makes no difference.

One word has to be capable of making comparisons to a second word or nothing makes sense. It is the way we communicate. It is the way symbols work. The word ‘chair’ for example makes a picture.

Cutting up life is the only way talk works. At any rate, there is another way all this strikes me. It goes in a completely opposite direction of how scrambled life is. Specifically, a guy talking about his Mom’s dying wish.

05:00  Picture this guy considering his Mom’s dying wish to be buried by her husband. It is kind of nice, it is going to be costly, (he may be buried in another country) but it is kind of silly.

It is kind of silly because when you are dead, you don’t know where you are buried. The ordinary mind may say you are wrong because her spirit will know. But you will never understand anything if you consider the supernatural.

And it has nothing to do with rather the supernatural (ex. life after death) is true or false.  Nobody knows if there is life after death. There is no evidence of life after death. And no one can stop you from believing it if you want to.

The point is if “your mind” is satisfied to operate with the belief in the supernatural (ex. God, Life after Death etc.) you won’t be any worse off, and you are not crazy, and you are not dumb.  And you deserve no criticism.

But the danger in accepting the belief, and operating with the belief, (ex. life after death) is that you will never understand or see anything. Assuming you folks are following this, you may go with your Mom’s wishes.

But you would question to yourself, that its kind of silly and strange to go to all the expense and effort, to go with your Mom’s wishes because “my mom will never know.”

10:00 So “whats going on?” Back to the point of how scrambled life is, there is a reality to moving those bones, but by any reasonable view, there is no intellectual point to doing it. Not that its wrong to do it.

Were not here to criticize the act, but from any reasonable view its a useless act. (ex. You are moving a pile of bones from one location to another.) I’m not criticizing, just looking.

15:00 It is one of those things in life that is mish mash. So why does life have the human mind doing that, when there is no evidence to support the reason to do it. That is somewhat disingenuous of me to say Life has the human mind doing such and such.  There is another quite glaring and startling possibility.  That being the possibility that Life is not doing something TO man’s mind…..

( Ed. note - Jan stops here based upon the active response he got from the above sentence.

17:26

Jan Cox Talk 3166 - Notes by Cfish

(Editors note - This audio is not likely to be published due to the audio itself - so please enjoy these notes until a verbatim transcript arrives someday)

Jan Cox Talk 3166 - June 28 2004  (37:28)
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Cfish April 2017

Suggested Title: Man Invents Cultures that Need Fixing

Begin:  Considering consciousness and talk, I can’t resist pointing out a little something else on the subject of a stranger from another planet seeing only talk going on within the planet’s most important institutions.  Institutions with big buildings like the Pentagon, the Capital or the Vatican.

I was thinking how anyone with a natural gift to talk or write could walk in unannounced into the pentagon or Congress and listen for five or ten minutes and could come up with something utterly frightening to write about.  (symbolically, metaphorically)

05:00  And then remembering and picturing (we are still talking consciousness and talk) that nothing is going on in the most important institutions on the planet but talk.  And that anytime, day or night, a writer could gather a story in 5 minutes or less that when published in the papers would make his readers tremble. 

Another facet of this picture is for you to imagine that you are on top of a magical mountain and you can see all of humanity and then I ask you to answer this question: “ What is Man doing? “

I suggest to you that people are always trying to fix something. Hospitals an Doctors are trying to fix something. In an auto garage it is obvious, so lets move on to something more subtle and look at the important institutions, like Congress and the Pentagon.  Remember that all that is going on is talk, but what  they are trying to do is fix something. 

10:00  Look at the money and effort politicians and Congress spend to fix stuff. And then remember they are just talking to fix stuff. That is the first stage, where you might take it in and think you need a beer or a cold towel - but now the second stage.

15:00  Looking out at life, people are continually trying to fix stuff. And there are two tributaries to fixing stuff. The first tributary is man is continually trying to fix stuff that man broke. The more civilized the setting, the more time you spend fixing stuff collectively.

Living in the jungle, you may only have the occasional bow and arrow to fix.  Civilized societies have environmental protection laws, tax laws, national defense, etc. And criminals keep finding new ways to break them.

20:00  For example Congress passed laws to prevent another Enron fraud. But by the time they passed the law other criminals and swindlers are already moving on to a different fraud. And the attorneys are figuring ways for their clients to walk away.

25:00  The common man tries to fix stuff that man broke by bitching and whining. So the point of the first tributary is humanity is always trying to fix something that Man broke. Man initially got together to fix man’s unruly behavior.

There must be a thousand volumes, thousand pages each, of the criminal justice code. But as soon as a law is made, man figures out a way around it. For example murder, if the victim doesn’t die, you have to fix the law by inventing the charge of manslaughter, and the lesser charge of assault and so on.  Man made it and man has to continually fix it.

30:00  The second tributary has to do with culture. Set aside the physical and technological inventions of Man.  Consider everything that man has created for culture; religion, art, literature, criminal law, etc.)  Every feature of culture: man is continually working to fix some part of it. 

Which leads to the second tributary: that everything man creates is already broken.  (not saying he means to do it that way) Consider: Could you create, on your own, a religion that would not need repairs immediately?

Pick out any cultural creation (ex. government, criminal law, psychology, sociology, etc.) that has a form, outline, theorems, and consider/picture that as soon as it is created - doesn’t need fixing. 

35:00 If you are in a civilized setting, and picture, maybe looking down at the people in Paris, Rome, pretty much anywhere, what do people spend most of their time doing? They are mostly trying to fix stuff, intangible stuff.

A broken car and a broken knee will get your attention. But what I am trying to get you folks to consider is “Can man create anything cultural (criminal law, government, etc.) that doesn’t come into creation already broken?”

Broken is probably not the best word. How can you break something that does does not physically exist? 

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notes on Jan Cox Talk 3165

Jan Cox Talk 3165  - June 25, 2004
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes Cfish March 2017

Suggested Title: Picturing Consciousness without Talk

Begin: Picture/Consider what consciousness would be without talk. According to thinking and the dictionary they are two separate things. Imagine that you are conscious but that man has no speech.

Tonight, a few things that go on in life that no one notices and I have been talking about the last few weeks.  Man is the only species (just me talking, not a quote) whose leaders do not lead them directly into battle.

Every other social creature,  rather herds or packs (ex wolves)  when protecting territory or hunting are lead physically by the alpha male/female.  Solitary creatures hunt alone. Human leaders make announcements and point.

05:00  So just pointing it out, why is humanity so different?  It is easy to see the alpha male, in a political tyrant that may kill, rob, and murder his way to the top. It can even be seen in watered down versions in so-called democracies.

Man is the only social creature, who lives like a herd, that the leader does not physically lead the country into war.  Every other creature the alpha male/female physically leads. That is why the others defer to him/her.

10:00  Consider an alien visitor from another planet, that could communicate with humanity, and it was humanity’s job to point out the important stuff that is exemplary of humanity. 

You could take him on an aerial view of the important institutions/buildings. For example the Capitol (politics), the Vatican (religious), Wall Street (wealth) and the Pentagon (military) but all he sees when he looks are humans talking.

15:00  So what makes “you” you? What is going on in your head?  Your consciousness does not hesitate to describe feelings and thoughts. But it all comes from the talking/conscious part of the brain. Some call it their personality.

20:00  If you look at “what’s going on” in the conscious/talking part of the brain, which you can only do after the fact, it (CPOB) becomes the looker and whatever it (CPOB) was doing stops.

A split second ago the brain was bitching about how stupid humans are, but if you can hold “this is the brain speaking” you are no longer aggressive in the purely human sense. You no longer have second reality ambitions. (ex. rich and famous) 

Man’s normal state of consciousness, your natural state has been putting out the same thoughts, pictures, fears and annoyance since you were fifteen years old. And when you realize this; (not trying to talk you into it)

25:00  It is the same story and the same whine. If you try the approach (Brain speaking), I don’t know of one closer to the bone of all this. It is stripped of the metaphysical and superfluous. 

In essence, what’s going on in your head, “you” is the CPOB running automatically. And it is quite sufficient (automatic running). You can do your job, be a good husband and wife, or a soldier or a stockbroker.

When you can see the CPOB (conscious part of brain) speaking it changes everything. You can no longer get as upset/annoyed for any length of time, by other people’s stupidity.

When you have the full realization of what consciousness is in everybody, the juices of annoyance/other peoples stupidity is gone. If you are not making supernatural effort, constantly, the CPOB just goes back to its normal state.

30:00  When “you” (probably shouldn’t say “you”) become aware of lapsing back into the ordinary, automatic, yammering of the CPOB, and you catch it after the fact, and say CPOB speaking, the yammering is different.

It is easy to fall back into the mechanical/ordinary state. It just takes another comment from another ordinary/ mechanical CPOB (conscious part of the brain) comment. (ex. something political)

These ordinary/mechanical whining, yammering commentaries trick your consciousness. Saying “CPOB speaking” (internally) after the fact, after the awareness of the whining commentary,  helps to bring you back to consciousness.

It changes the way you look at everyone else.  It is as though you are surrounded by zombies, ( you come up with a better term ), but you can no longer hold them responsible for what they say. You can’t. It is not a theory.  You might slip back to habitual whining, but there is no power behind it.  And hearing yourself sound like a sloth speaking helps to bring you back.

 The downside, maybe a serious illness, surgery, and you look up at the surgeon and he says “Don’t you worry.” 
 
37:00

Added notes on Jan Cox Talk 0110

There are more than 5 main branches of the talks that Jan gave and each I (derek) talk about here is based on the nature of the audience.  ANY division is illusory.

Before talk 138, Jan was talking to the people in the room and new people on both coasts.

At  138 we started video taping them

At some point a year later, he started talking on many levels at once; to a random audience on cable TV; the new people on the coasts and in the room and to the 'old group' in the room.  (Once you have heard all the tapes you might be able to see the symphony he is conducting)

And  and a year after that he limited his talks to 56 minutes at the request of the video editors.  He might talk longer, or put the Kyroots on a different tape if there were too many.  That material is only on the audio tapes.

In the 1200's Jan started a process of whittling it down and being a little more direct, much to the delight of many in the room.  By the 1400's the video camera is mostly off and Jan is getting down to brass tacks.  He is still nailing jello to the wall, but it appears to be doing more concisely rather than beating about the bushes to see what comes out.

So - lets take this division of five and look at talk 110.

The student is given a new term.  We go from Consider to Neuralize, adding an attempt at neutrality to the neural.  And then Jan launches into beating the bushes as he circles round and round what he talking about --> and it is up to the student to see what it is.  He is not talking about politics, not talking about B movies yet describing how each of these things must function within the context of external forces and internal habits --( as if there was a difference, (grin))

So enjoy Jan Cox Talk 0110, knowing that a live animus may coming charging out and devour , momentarily,  all that you thought you were.
  http://www.jancox.com/jan-cox-talk-0110

Notes on Jan Cox Talk 3164 by Cfish and DH

Jan Cox Talk 3164 - 23 June 2004  (50 minutes)
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Cfish and DH February 2017
  ( voice is degraded - probably not public release)

Suggested Title:  The One Internal Illusion 

Begin: I guess I will talk about something, but I’ve told you folks everything a person needs to know. But its either this or we would all be going out and getting into trouble. (ex. watching TV, etc.)

Consider the connection between talk and consciousness. Can you have consciousness without talk? What purpose does talk serve?  And since we have talk and consciousness can we conceive consciousness without talk?

Consider humanity, collectively, could it have developed civilization and technology without talk?  Think how long it would take cave man consciousness to describe the wheel without talk. It would be tedious.

05:00  Talk makes civilization and technology easier. With talk you can ask questions and clarify descriptions. Consider looking at talk from the individual level. What is the purpose of talk. (discount the passing of knowledge)

10:00  Picture cave man consciousness, maybe living alone, hunting, fishing, what purpose would talk serve? This is just me talking, no scientific evidence to back me up, just saying its not just opinion. (not ordinary views)

15:00  Fast forward from cave man consciousness to consciousness now. The conscious part of the brain works day and night. But would we know that consciousness goes on while we are asleep at night if there was no talking part of consciousness?

Everyday life, you know the conscious part of the brain is operating because you can hear the talk in your head.  Imagine cave man consciousness, and you can’t talk, what is the brain doing? 

20:00  It is watching the environment and regulating/checking the internal organs. Same thing, at the very least, it does with all creatures that have anything resembling consciousness. So consider what does consciousness do today?

Technically the talking part of the brain’s yammering is monitoring the environment. It would be easy to say it’s the classic state of “being asleep/distracted.” Of course we are leaving out the comments on what it could be doing.

25:00  Picture driving down the highway, and seeing flashing lights and sirens. The non conscious part of the brain (regulation of internal organs) is already moving the feet towards the brakes before the talking part starts yammering like a trapped mouse in a box.

Picture cave man consciousness, a quick and brown flash in the bushes, (maybe a lion) the non conscious part of the brain reacts, (physical, and non verbal stimulation) before the talking part says that a lion could jump me.

30:00  The talking/conscious part of the brain keeps talking, while the non conscious begins to relax from the brown flash in the bushes. Maybe the caveman was picking berries ( instinct  cuts off hunger when physically threatened), but the mind keeps yammering on.  And once it gets started — it never seems to stop.

35:00  Consciousness is always working. Unless there is a bridge out, or a lion is about to jump you, the talking/conscious part of the brain (CPOB) is irrelevant. And it is almost impossible for the CPOB to see it.

Thoughts about others not being awake, suffering over thinking, worries over old insults (maybe an insult to your mother before she died), past fears, regrets, and “your mind” wants to work it all out, cleanse the mind - And the mind can not do any of that. And you can’t tell Consciousness that you can’t do those sorts of things, much less, that they are irrelevant.

40:00  But I keep telling you its not “your mind/my mind” Its the brain speaking. There is only one thing that will strip you of this “The Internal Illusion”. And you can’t describe it. I just got through trying. We don’t live in a world of illusions, we live with this One illusion and it is internal.

Everyone here, well,  it’s like you kind of look like the grill of an Edsel. Which is accidentally, a good symbolism for “my mind.” Edsel was an ugly, ill conceived, the manufacturer regretted he had ever designed it. And nobody wanted one.

There is only one way to see the one internal illusion. I once saw it piecemeal, and assume everyone would naturally. I am just trying to speed it up. Piecemeal insights into the one internal illusion can lead you to “this is the CPOB speaking.”

If you can hear that and then ,if you must hear something after that, its ok, and I can’t stop it. Wish I could. But once you can hear “this is CPOB speaking,” it takes the juice out of the one internal illusion. Because that is the illusion.  That there is something other than the CPOB ( Conscious part of the brain ) that is thinking, talking, caring , hoping.

45:00  Talking is primarily gossip. But it’s also the instinct forced to comment on the environment. It can go from the relevant to the irrelevant. (ex. man in Ad, Fred in a speedo, fat people in general, all people are stupid and ugly)..  You can figure out that that is a linear progression internally . . .
  But if you can see its (CPOB) speaking, you wouldn’t have to figure anything out.  

End(49:33)

Notes on Jan Cox Talk 3163

Note: The audio of this tape is so bad that it is not likely to ever be made public, so enjoy th notes, and if you have to have more -- then write to us.

Jan Cox Talk 3163 - 21 June 2004  - 55 minutes
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2017
Notes by Cfish January 2017

Suggested Title: Eye Contact and One Trick Consciousness

Begin:  When everybody starts this activity (ex. some form of man is asleep and wants to awaken) they have a natural assumption (you can see, smell, and check it for yourself) that everyone in the group has a similar aim.

05:00  The cerebral cortex, the conscious part of the brain, surrounds the brain. Simply, what everyone calls “ you, I, my feelings, my brain, etc.” this one voice has one source and it’s  the conscious part of the brain.

“You” is not consciousness and “you” do not have thoughts. The conscious part of the brain does all that. Folks wishing to “wake up” if they apply themselves, may see the reality of that.

But it is damn near impossible to grab the reality of it The reality of it grabs itself. It comes down to realizing, all things intangible, go on in the cerebral cortex, not the soul, etc.

10:00  And the cerebral cortex, the conscious part of the brain, just runs. From the view, of folks like us, the mind is “out of control;” asleep, but to ordinary folks the mind runs just fine and that’s the attitude consciousness is born with.

15:00  As soon as you became conscious, the conscious part of the brain created “you.” The sensation of “you” is just there so created/made up, are just words for lack of better words. Putting a name on stuff gives you a place to start. 

The conscious part of the brain has never been outside the conscious part of the brain. There is nobody in the CPOB. If you keep saying this is “brain speaking” the reality of it will strike you. The brain knows it is brain speaking.

20:00  But what it does, unless you are making an extraordinary effort is run automatically and completely out of control (from our view) and it has no sensation of itself. There is nothing personally going on when it (CPOB) runs automatically.

25:00  Its the nature of the conscious part of the brain to run automatically.  The CPOB is like a frisky dog that chases something constantly. (ex. what it sees, hears, and reads)

The only other possibility for the CPOB is it can perform one trick. ( Problem solving of the tangible/physical world that requires abstracts and pictures is excluded) It (CPOB) can sit. 

30:00  A few folks are intrigued by the idea man is asleep and needs to awaken. The constant and automatic running of consciousness bothers you and that is what being asleep is. A few folks can make the CPOB sit. (like a dog)

And when consciousness (CPOB) sits it will look up at you (like any friendly dog). You can’t lose eye contact or consciousness is off running automatically again, like any frisky dog. 

Consciousness has one trick. It can sit. And what makes it fun is “you” are not doing it. Consciousness makes itself sit but it must keep eye contact. You are either making eye contact or you are asleep.

35:00  The natural part of consciousness does not want to do the one trick. I know, and some of you know the neurological experience of “waking up.”  The first experience is astounding, and the following are delightful.

But the experience is not the “one trick.”  The CPOB (conscious part of the brain) can do one other thing than be asleep (ordinary consciousness, the natural you)  and that is the one trick. It can sit.

40;00  The comment it is hard to get “my mind” to sit is in a sense the CPOB crying wolf. In saying “my mind” it has in a sense shifted the blame. It is curious. Maybe like a carnival’s house of mirrors. It keeps you disoriented.

45:00  Men initially found the voice in their head, (ex. Adam making up God, spirits to account for the voice) interesting and fascinating, but the one thing the voice in their head could not do naturally was a simple dog trick. (Sit)

50:00  And to keep from doing the one trick, it will pretend it is “you.” The ventriloquist (CPOB) becomes the dummy (you). We have no way of knowing what consciousness thinks about this made up “you.”

The CPOB does not run automatically when there is a real, tangible, physical problem that needs solving. Other than that, consciousness does not want to control itself. But it can and will sit as long as it watches itself.  

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