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Jan Cox Talk 2567 - August 21, 2000
Copyright Jan Cox, Jan’s Legacy 2015
Notes by Cfish
Suggested Title: The Mind Knows Nothing
Begin: Two things I wanted to mention that to me are related. Again the idea: “no one knows anything” in a way that you may have not considered. And the mystical “waking up” is so simple it can be put into two or three words. (Yet, I’m turning out more words every morning.)
Consider the accepted reality of people caring and feeding their dogs. The dog loves them and they love the dog. But zoology has observed that instead of love, it is submission. (ex. pack behavior, wolves, the alpha male)
05:00 You can’t disagree with the observation, if you are reasonable, because it seems to fit, but nobody knows. It doesn’t affect how you treat the dog. It’s just something new. Nobody knows anything unless the mind physically created it.
10:00 The only way the relationship with your dog could be known (ex. submission vs love) would be by life itself. Twenty-five hundred years ago a guy from Greece came up with idea for atoms, by observing firewood turn to ash.
Now we have quantum physics. But nobody knows, not even science. The only thing you (the mind) can know is something you physically do. Its is subtle and easy to miss. The mind cannot know anything unless it physically does it. (dropping a glass, fixing a lamp)
15:00 Reap what you sow, what goes around comes around, my dog loves me, my dog submits to me, may all seem to fit the observations and science but if the human mind did not physically do it, it is literally impossible to know.
Science can certainly make observations, studies, and experiments, and gain knowledge and come up with working models on love and phobias, for example, but it is literally not possible to know what’s going on unless the human mind physically did it.
20:00 When I look at the mind, to me its radical purpose is making survival easier. Technology’s radical purpose is making life easier. But only a small percentage of folks are involved with survival related technology. (ex. farming, medicine)
25:00 Most folks are involved with entertainment. Movies and television are designed to put you to sleep. I used to tell myself, when walking around half awake and half asleep, and deciding to watch a movie, I was “one with the dog.” But it was still putting myself to sleep on purpose.
I am assuming you are seeing the thing about “not knowing anything.” If not, I encourage you to keep looking. Unless you/humans physically did it, no one’s mind can know anything. Knowledge, theories, and facts that fit the observations, can be formulated and enjoyed but they do not explain it.
You are tied in place, if you think the non-physical can be explained. If you think I am explaining things, I am not, it is a hall of mirrors. But, hey if you think it is dangerous from your end, look at it from my end. For example me saying to myself did I explain that or what - and the answer is what.
30:00 If you discount the mind we do know how to live. Not in a social sense but in a physical sense. Instinct knows how to digest food. (pee and poop) The heart pumps blood without the help of the mind. The mind is an after market necessity.
The mind is enjoyable and extremely useful, but when it comes to non-tangible matters (ex. religion, morality) the mind can know nothing. Ordinary people when hearing something like man’s mental reality does not exist outside the mind will take offense.
Ordinary folks will insist that you quit talking about God that way. But if it is non tangible and man did not physically do it, it cannot be known. You/man can know/fix a lamp but even that falls apart when you get down to the elements,that were laying around on the planet, minding their own business.
35:00 Man did not make the elements. You can know and understand trees ( trees/like elements minding their own business) but not in the same way you understand a man made lamp. It is a refreshing shock when you get a glimpse of it. (the mind knows nothing)
I knew it was true before I understood it. It is not allegory. It does not affect life that the mind knows nothing. Because when you get around to the tangibles, you do know something. Through surgery and anatomy, the mind knows how the blood and digestion works.
40:00 Thru observations by the mind, you can know enough to repair the heart and save someone’s life. But when it gets down to the elements, the mind knows nothing. It can fix the heart. But the mind, being an after market necessity, cannot know the heart in the same way it knows a man made lamp.
To see the mind knows nothing is a refreshing discovery. It will stick with you and it will keep popping up. For example, saying “I think I’ve got it,’ then its “you idiot.” It may be a better model, intriguing picture, and with folks like us, beneficial.
Just remind yourself that a new, meaningless, discovery, that benefits, encourages, and frees you a bit, may lead to the one big observation, “hey, all my observations (non tangible) are meaningless.” For the sensitive, questionable, maybe a better word than meaningless.
45:00 Instinct has the ability to live without the mind. Consciousness/thought is instinct’s tag team partner. The instinctive brain is located deep down, and on top of the brain stem (hard to access). The cortex is easily accessible.
If the cortex is so important, how come the accessibility is not in reverse? Tonight I was trying to be a bit more specific about how it is not possible to know anything. Philosophers, Zen, and others have played with and enjoyed the idea.
The mind not knowing anything is an observable reality. And I think very few people on the planet would see it. And it doesn’t do anything for you unless you are trying to “wake up.” The exceptions being something humans physically did.
But to things non tangible the mind can’t know. The mind will never know how “the mind” operates. It is not allegory. And “the mind” can’t get it. Will take up subject # 2 next time.