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Jan Cox Talk #345 May 25, 1988 – 1:18
[Prefatory comments to new attendees to 0:04.]
[New info is really a new level of info processing, a more complete processing of a greater data base than previously recognized. Three-fourths is the ordinary maximum of perceived info. This results in the ordinary man looking for 'the missing piece', or a seeking to increase the perceiving apparatus. There is no such thing as a benign medium; all info must pass thru a medium (the Partnership). However, the E-pool of info comes the closest to unchanged info for humans since it is unsuspected, unrecognized and uninteresting. Consider the phenomenon of subliminal tapes and hypnotic recall as connected to E-pool info. It is almost as if Life could turn around fast enough to see itself in the mirror. ]
[It is impossible for man to perceive 'perfection' --by any definition --because anything perfected 'turns the corner' and disappears --both from sight and memory. The only truly perfected/vanquished habit is one that has subsided absolutely from thought and memory—disappeared, disremembered. Therefore there is no possible human memory of some ‘thing‘ perfected. If you think about something, it is not perfected. Connection to not-telling yourself what you're doing. Connection to willful controlled aggression/protection. Ordinary hatred never works; the Real Revolutionist has got to use Blue Circuit abandonment of his foe as the ultimate form of hatred, the ultimate opposite of affection. It is aggression/protection that is non-hostile and non-harmful to anybody, yet profitable to the Real Revolutionist. Consider: why does Life so condemn hatred and praise submission? Is it because it's inefficient or because it's too efficient? Hatred causes too much heat, gets things moving too fast, short-circuits/bypasses the 24 hr. time-lag between Upper Circuit and Lower Circuit. Every Nervous System therefore must be designed to act as resistor to the flow of hatred. But note that the flow is not stopped. ]
[The Real Revolutionist should never allow an ordinary part of himself to be a hero. ]
[Debt is not merely fiscally based. Abandon all emotional debts/obligations. Save money; every dollar saved is a material, tangible evidence of being one-up on Life. Everybody is designed to spend everything and die penniless. ]
A 4-D PROCESSING SYSTEM
Copyright (c) Jan M. Cox, 1988
Document: 345, May 25, 1988
Remember that my questions are rhetorical. They're hidden statements. And all of my statements are hidden tricks and kicks and trips to try to get you to go somewhere on your own. From a certain view, you could look at the kinds of information I've been giving out all of these months and years, not as new information in the ordinary sense, but as a representation of a whole new generation of processing.
I'm bringing all this up for a particular reason. Anyone who believes they are interested in something extraordinary, no matter what guise it's presented under, believes that what they need is new information. Life has wired up those organizations which seem to be outside of the mainstream of the bourgeoise city to give the appearance that these people have some "secret" new information. But look at this from another view. You could say that what I say, as strange, surprising, intriguing and useful as some of it is, it is not so much a matter of new information, as a matter of a whole new level of processing information. You have not received from me the kind of "new information" that you expected. The kind of information you expected is along the lines of "the gods are Martians" or that you can see your past lives within the internal reflections of a crystal machine ground from Tai Pei. That is the sort of information that your system is wired up to believe it's seeking.
Until you take a certain jump, and fall over a certain ledge, what I'm doing here is a kind of pushing, a kind of trickery. And through that trickery you begin to process the information you already have in a new way. From one view, all the stuff I talk about is not that strange. Once you begin to Hear it in the higher parts of your potentially activated nervous system, you shortly understand that, "This is not all that weird, but I couldn't talk to my Uncle Hubert about it. Well, I tried, but all he said was, 'I thought you quit smoking that funny stuff!'"
Before the time comes when you take the kind of tricky internal trip up that makes you fall up instead of down, there occurs a meeting between new information and the processing of your already known information. On your own, you begin to find, feel, and then become able to use the fact, that what passes for ordinary information is only 3/4 of a more complex data base. All the information that you had before you met me, the information that's available to everyone, you've never fully found, fully felt or fully used because you simply can't. Your nervous system attempts to use all this generally available information as though it were complete when it's not. All this information you have does not comprise a meaningful whole within itself, and you'll only have problems if you treat it as such.
Right here is part of the problem. The belief is wired into the human nervous system that if someone came along and spoke certain words that had a particular meaning and that meaning was understood, everything would come together, and a person's whole life would suddenly make sense. Now think about this a second. Everyone believes that their life would change totally if they could hear a certain piece of "new" information. Even if it's as apparently silly as, "Really? God's really a Martian? Gee, I always thought the truth must be something like that!" The problem, of course, is that all this information is already out there, and most of it isn't all that startling or new (like, "God must be a Martian,") so what does that leave you with? Well, it either means you keep on trucking until you find that chunk of hitherto unknown "new" information, or it means you ought to seriously consider what I'm saying here: that the real trick is to use the information you already have, but process it differently.
There is no "hidden" information. It is simply that the information available to everyone is, at the very most, only 3/4 of a greater available data base. That feeling you and everyone has that, "There's something wrong in Life, something is missing," is accurate. What's missing is your experience of the other 1/4 of the available data base." Generally only 3/4 of the information available to humans can be experienced, felt or thought of.
People try all sorts of things to bridge this uncomfortable gap -- all the way from trying to become rich or famous to trying to be prettier or more clever. But people who specifically end up in activities such as This generally believe if they had access to certain missing, hidden pieces of information, maybe even just one piece, everything would come together. And many of them believe they know what the piece is. All they need is somebody bigger who can dance better to tell them, "Yes, that's true," so they can say, "Ah, now it all makes sense." And you know it doesn't.
The other alternative is to believe, "I need to change the way I perceive." This has been normally known throughout the ages as increasing one's consciousness or going into a higher state of consciousness. The belief is, "Then I would see all these secret things going on. I would meet a great historical religious figure and he would sit in my bedroom and tell me all these secrets." But notice, within the full spectrum of religion and metaphysics, nobody ever explains that the necessary interface between "consciousness," and whether it can be expanded or not, and "information," and whether it can be expanded or not is Man himself. There is no spot in the ordinary run of man's history, intellectual or otherwise, that says that the real situation falls into the arena where consciousness and information interface. It's not simply a matter of new information, it's a matter of processing the information you already have. If you can get past that point, both areas open up. And then there are other things to be seen, but not spirits or trolls or invisible people from Mars. What you do see, at the very minimum, is that 1/4 of everything you see now has been cut off -- hidden. And there it is. And I can assure one and all who stick with This, once you see that it will be spooky enough, and you won't have to worry about Martians and UFO's. You'll be spooked beyond your wildest expectations. What can be spookier than a person looking around and going, "Now I understand it." Of course, what's even spookier is that when you See it you don't even say, "Now, I understand it."
A would-be Real Revolutionist has got to continually take into account that there are going to be unexpected and unaccountable effects in the process of investigating this interface between what you know and how you perceive what you know. If you can follow this fast enough, you can look at it from both sides and see that the medium from wherein you take in information, that makes you conscious, is going to add its own unexpected information. You've got to understand that when you get out of the city. There is no such thing as a benign medium in the 3-D world. In other words there is no medium sans characteristics. One reason that people like you like people like me is that I come awfully close to that mystical "pure medium." Information that is available, whatever it may be, passes through a medium in order for you to apparently be conscious of it. And the medium is what? It's your own little self.
The only information that an ordinary person could have that would approach being benign, that would approach being free from personal, mechanical processing, would be of so little interest that you wouldn't even know you knew it. Does that sound anything like my famous "E" pool? I know it makes a lot of people dizzy for me to start talking about that, but look at it for a moment: it would be information an ordinary person would have that was not sullied by the medium itself. And you would have so little interest in it that you would have forgotten you'd ever known it.
When I tell you that the medium is always going to add some non-benign information -- some interference -- I'm bringing you up to date on the idea humans have that Life can't directly talk to you. The belief is that Life is trying to talk to Man, but through some blindness, or evilness, or general bad luck, the information cannot be heard directly. On the other hand, I have pointed out there is the possibility of getting closer to benign ways of processing information. But listen: if you had the necessary information to do this, that knowledge would be knowledge that you apparently never use and never think about. You would be hard pressed to even admit you knew it. Let's say I asked you a question about an area of life that you've got almost no interest in -- music for instance. If I press the point you may admit you remember reading certain information about a particular musician. But as soon as the pressure is off and we stop talking about it, you'd forget the information -- you have no interest in it.
While I'm in this area, does anyone find the belief in subliminal audio tapes interesting? How about the belief in hypnosis to make people recall things they've forgotten? It's almost as if Life has done it again. Maybe Life goes somewhere and has a drink every now and then and says to somebody, "Guess what I did." And it's not, "Guess what I did to humans," but, "Guess what I did to myself." That's why I said that the only time you know you are developing a sense of humor is when you pass a mirror and looking into it is so funny you can hardly stand it. So when it comes to hypnosis for memory, Life would be laughing at itself, not at you. It's right on the verge of being the world's greatest inverted trick mirror. It's as if Life were grabbing humanity from the inside and saying, "I'm going to turn so fast that I'll look myself right in the face." And it almost makes itself believe that.
Well, let me jump back to the area that humanity always talks about -- perfection. People have a constant feeling that they're missing something, some piece of information. Yet humanity has never seen perfection and can't realize it's never there. Instead of looking from a moral or religious perspective, try to look at it more mathematically. Look around you and realize that you've only got 3/4 of a data base the whole of which would stagger you. Forget everything people have said on the subject of Man's "lack of perfection." For the first time on this planet, I'm gong to explain exactly and quickly why no one has ever seen perfection.
The reason you cannot see perfection, as it is described in the city, is that when and if things reach such a state of perfection, they disappear. That's the whole reason. If something reaches perfection -- if it does in this world -- it turns the corner and disappears. At least it disappears from man's consciousness. And not only does it leave a person's consciousness, it falls into dis-memory. I have talked around the edges of this. For instance, in ordinary terminology, the only habit a person has conquered is a habit that is now part of his dis-memory -- it has turned a corner and disappeared. A great example of this is good old "Alcoholics Anonymous." The ex-abuser says, "No, I'm not a cured alcoholic -- once an alcoholic always an alcoholic. All I can tell you is that right now I haven't had a drink in seventeen years. It's a daily battle." In other words, in the area that they had a problem with drinking, they have not perfected that problem. And, in a sense, Life has made them admit it.
If somebody really overcomes alcoholism, they simply forget about it. They never think, "I'm an alcoholic." If somebody asked them, "Are you an alcoholic?" They would have to think a minute, and then answer, "Well, no." And the other person might say, "But weren't you an alcoholic?" And the ex-alcoholic might answer, "Yeah. You're right, I forgot." That's not a verbal game. You absolutely forget about it. That's the end of it. It has turned the corner and disappeared.
I have tried to point this out before and I'll try again. There is a particular stinky smell to people proclaiming that they have reached a state of perfection in some area. They probably wouldn't use the term "perfection," but even so, it's like saying they've had unequalled success. I'm not criticizing such an individual, but to you, this whole thing should smell funny. The person may appear to be the living epitome of what they're saying. It's not a facade when they say, "I've reached perfection in the field of...," whatever it is. They're saying .pathat compared to the way they started, in the relative world of 3-D land, they have succeeded, or reached a sort of perfection.
Even people in the city smell something unseemly about this. Maybe they react verbally by saying, "Some people are too pushy," or, "Nobody likes a wise guy." And then sometimes the third level criticism will take over and say, "Well, you're just jealous." Remember, if a person is still talking and thinking about an area of perfection, they have not achieved it. If you ever think about it, you haven't achieved it.
Back to where I started: humanity cannot see perfection. People believe certain aspects of human life are seriously flawed and we can fix these and even take them to a state of perfection. "We can perfect our institutions. We can eventually perfect man." Or one group observes another group and says, "What a mess you are! We'll just roll up our sleeves and clear up this mess." And of course, it never actually gets cleared up. That is, it never becomes perfected. If it did it would turn a corner and disappear from everyone's ordinary memory. If an "imperfect" situation, a human dynamic, a set of relationships, did get totally "fixed," it would reach immediate escape velocity and leave human consciousness. It would go without anybody remembering it. It would absolutely disappear. If anything in the past has reached a state of perfection, which I haven't admitted one way or the other, it disappeared. Therefore there is no ordinary memory -- no 3-D consciousness -- of anything ever being fixed on this planet.
This is mathematically provable, but only if you can think in four dimensions. I couldn't prove it through the math you use now. To use one of my olympic sized metaphors, it would be as if some gigantic hand came out of another dimension, and faster than you can look, the thing would be perfected -- it would disappear. Now you should be able to hear me when I say that the only habits (or to use your terminology -- "flaws") that you have overcome are those you've forgotten. If you're still talking about it, if you're still wrestling with it, you've still got it. If you're listening with 3-D ears, this sounds like psychological commentary. But it's more than that -- it's a fact. You may not literally be drinking or smoking, but you've still got the habit. You may say you're better off without the habit; I'm not arguing with that. But if that's all you need, you don't belong here. That's child's play. Anybody can quit drinking if they start spitting up enough blood. That doesn't impress me. If you're still thinking about something, it's still part of your nervous system.
Here's another piece of the reality behind my pointing out that you should not tell yourself what you are doing: you should not tell yourself that you're planning to do something. And you should never tell yourself that you have done something. Not only would you not tell other people that you've quit smoking -- you wouldn't tell yourself -- literally. You would use a four-dimensional version of Alcoholics Anonymous. Instead of saying, "Well, I'm not cured, but I haven't done such and such recently," you'd simply shut up, inside and out. To do otherwise makes you stink. Ordinary people don't notice this stink, but a Real Revolutionist smells it most distinctly. He begins to understand, "These unsavory fumes arise from my own inner activities and I can stop a bunch of them." Remember, the king doesn't have to explain to every peon in the land, "Well, I'll tell you why I made that proclamation." Kick the little idiot in the head. Ignore him. Don't tell yourself what you're doing.
Now see if you can make this jump -- a continuation into self-protection. I was pointing out that you can use a kind of willful, controlled aggression. All of you have had an opportunity to experience someone who is an anathema to you -- someone who's hurt you or bothered you or cheated you. Some of you may even be wired up to have this as an ongoing process -- there may be lines waiting outside your house. Anyway, when I mentioned this self-protection earlier, I was specifically pointing out that there will always be other people in life aggressing you. And there is a way that you finally have to learn to protect yourself. Listen carefully here, because what I have to say is 4-D piggy back information riding on top of 3-D words. It's close-captioned, for the hearing impaired.
There is a revolutionary way to defend yourself. It's non-hostile and non-physically aggressive. The key element is that it's willful and controlled. If you understand that, I don't have to explain anything else. If someone is going to mistreat you -- is forcing you to dance backwards, and you don't want to dance, you need to protect yourself. And this attempt to force someone to dance is the basis for what they call evil in the city. It's not "evil," but, it can be harmful and you need to know how to protect yourself.
For a Revolutionist, what is the supreme opposite of liking/approving? In the city they'd say, "Well, it would have to be dislike -- hate -- the supreme opposite is hate." You're wrong, and you know it. Because you've tried to hate people in the past. Does it work? No! Not if you've got a really good adversary. Remember I'm using ordinary terminology. This, too, is close captioned information.
Does it work to hate people who are apparently intent upon misusing you -- those who get to you? You know it doesn't. All the world's religions and philosophies keep pointing this out. "Those who hate their fellow man only end up hurting themselves," etc. They almost told the truth again. They're really saying that those who hate their fellow man don't get what they bargained for -- the payoff never comes. In human terms, the supreme opposite of like is not hate -- it is emotional abandonment.
We're still talking here about this sort of necessary self-protection. Normally, if the opposite of "liking" occurs in the city, people say, "I don't ever think about him. I don't ever feel about him." The supreme ultimate opposite of like is no longer feeling anything about someone. The thought of the person and the deed may still come up, but you can stop the chemical from becoming electrical -- you refuse to let the Blue Circuit heat up. The energy is going to turn into some other form -- it's going to be converted, and you let it get converted into light. Even if you think, "Oh, yeah, I remember that." Blue Circuit-wise you turn your head and refuse to feel about it. To a Revolutionist, that is the supreme aggression. You don't hurt anyone, but for your sake, for self-protection, you completely abandon them emotionally.
Here's something interesting. Do you remember why you remember things? Because an energy conversion takes place in your system. There you are jogging along and up comes a picture of a hated face. Right then you know, if only for a split second: the energy has got to be converted into something. It's got to follow it's normal course (you get mad/sad) or you, yourself have to push it somewhere else. But it's got to be converted to something, and however it's converted, that heat conversion is what you remember. When such a negative conversion threatens, abandon any Blue Circuit conversation with that person. That is the ultimate aggression and self-protection. It's not psychological, it's not playtime, it's not maybe -- you can simply do it. It's unbelievable aggression, beyond all words. Once you can do it, you'll understand why I've used these terms. And you'll also understand, "That's not it, but I can see why you called it that." And as I always suggest, you'll realize you couldn't have found better words either.
If you use this form of ultimate aggression, you are protected from all the other tricks that people apparently try -- those that are called subliminal, subconscious or psychological ploys. Those cause the problem of trying to armor oneself to the point that the armor itself becomes your captor. You put on so much armor -- forget someone else bothering you -- you're going to sweat to death because you can't move.
Remember, too, that this form of ultimate self-protection is not a trick. It's not that you tell yourself, "That doesn't bother me." It does bother you or you wouldn't remember it. You remember it, all right. And what you're after is the ultimate hatred. If I wasn't in a hurry, I wouldn't use such terms as hatred. But the ultimate hatred which is the ultimate protection is to abandon Blue Circuit relations with those people who hurt you. It is the supreme hatred and you will feel and understand that.
You can use it right in the crunch as well, not only to keep memories from bothering you. If somebody does something to you that makes you immediately feel that you are going to be seriously hurt, there's no sense in analyzing it. When your lover says, "I'm leaving you," ordinarily you don't know what to do. What you need is immediate supreme hatred and self-protection. A good Revolutionist can move back down the nervous system, immediately -- you can go back ten years and immediately find the supreme opposite of like. The supreme opposite of, "Well, I loved her up until that second," is not, "Well, I'll decide to hate her." That doesn't work. You must use the ultimate useful aggression -- Blue Circuit abandonment. It won't hurt the person. By "hatred" I simply mean a supreme self-protection. It is willful; it is controlled, and you administer it yourself. It cannot happen by accident -- it never has. If you simply hate somebody, you remember them or you wouldn't remember you hate them. So you're not free from it, and you haven't been protected. You've got to quit feeling about them -- it's the withdrawal of feeling.
Think about this: why does Life so condemn hatred? While you're thinking, remember that all the information you have for processing this question is flawed -- it's partial information. Now, is there any way that you can rearrange your own processing -- your perception -- of the information? Why couldn't aggression have been the good guy and sanctimoniousness, docile-ness, lovey dovey-ness been the villain? Why is it that Life roundly condemns hatred? It's an interesting question, because on the one hand Life has people saying, "We must perfect man and the obvious flaw is hatred," and yet Life has just poured hatred everywhere -- it's running down the street, it gets on your shoulders, it's hiding in alley ways. What's going on? Does Life condemn hatred because it's inefficient or because it's too efficient? In the 3-D world it's got to be one of the two.
Everything is a matter of energy conversion -- it's a matter of the conversion of the electrical circuit into some other form of energy. Hatred is a prime example of something condemned by Life. It always has been. It is either an inefficient conversion of energy for Life's purposes or it's too efficient. If you don't think that has any possible validity, remember the 24 hour time lag. Obviously, that lag is necessary or Life wouldn't have instituted it. If we bypass drugs and alcohol, what else can be seen to have an almost immediate effect on the nervous system? Well, hatred can, loving-ness can't. You can't effect the 24 hour lag through something that appears positive. But you can through what seems to be the non-positive. With hatred you can not only affect the situation, but apparently affect your own self. You should know this. In the run of the mill life of a human being, extreme hatred causes your whole organism to undergo a change that is highly unusual. Under the right conditions, you can kill somebody. On the basis of hatred the E/C Gate is opened up by the excitement. When someone insults you, attacks you -- even verbally -- the anger produced seems to bypass the time lag.
People don't take into account that the upper thinking circuits cannot dominate when they make a decision. You may say, "I'll quit drinking. I really will -- right now. I read an article about all the things it does to your body." But, there is usually a 24 hour time lag before this idea permeates the entire organism, and the lower circuits can take it seriously. You should understand from your own life that such piecemeal decisions have no meaning. How many times have you said you're going to stop something, and really meant it? You were deadly serious. And then what happened? The usual excuse is, "Well, I don't know." It's just that the upper circuits can't uphold a decision the way the lower circuits can. They cannot even hold a decision for the 24 hours it takes to have an all-pervasive influence over the total organism that you call you. So, due to this 24 hour time lag, the upper circuits can make decision after decision but can't make any of them stick. It would take 24 hours of holding a decision before the lower circuits even begin to take it seriously. I assume that you understand the circuits have to cooperate for anything to really happen.
Anger seems to shortcut the lag time. It can apparently permeate the whole organism, the entire collection of cells you're made of. Is hatred really condemned by Life because it is inefficient? That's what the collection of Life's own molecules that appear to be religions and similar groups seem to be saying. You hear from some outside source that "love" is the answer, and it makes your little heart tremble. So it seems that Life is saying that love is the most efficient. But if that's so, why haven't things changed? Why doesn't love change the world? Put another way, why has Life made man seem to favor the least efficient? Why are man's heroes always docile and downtrodden? Why are the heroes those who are aggressed against? And why are those who deal in hatred and aggression considered villains? Is Life trying to say that hatred is inefficient and that we need love? Lots of people's nervous systems agree that love will do away with human imperfection and produce paradise on earth. If that's so, why has love seemed to have almost no effect for thousands and thousands of years? Why is it that Life seems to say, "Here is what you should be doing," and then that thing proves to be the least effective?
You should consider that maybe hatred is too efficient. Maybe Life says, "Things need to change. I'm trying to grow, but there's a right speed for everything, don't go too fast here." What if what we call hatred simply makes things move too fast, and so it is now condemned in most people's nervous systems? No one analyzes this -- people are born with a feeling that hatred is a wonderful drug -- a wonderful, efficient weapon. But look: maybe it's too wonderful. Maybe as far as the immediate needs of Life, that kind of hatred makes things move too fast. Remember that 5,000 years of your time may be only one second to Life, so mass hatred, as in wars, creates great spurts of progress of all kinds -- technological, psychological, intellectual. And as terrible as war seems, when it is over some group that was involved with it seems to take a quantum leap.
Here are a couple more things. I've pointed out that a Real Revolutionist would not make any mortal his hero. And you should see on your own, your nervous system should feel it, that there is nobody fit to be your hero.
A little addition to this is that no ordinary part of you is fit to be your hero, either. You believe you can perfect yourself as you are -- that there is simply a missing piece to you that you can locate, plug back in and bingo! You think you have your own king, that is your self, and he/she has just one or two little foibles. And all you have to do is approach the king and say, "King, let me tell you what's what. You would be a king among kings if you would just do such and such." But you've forgotten what I said: don't raise your hand to the king unless you're going to kill him. You don't go up to a king and say, "I've always loved and admired you as a king but..." Kings don't take kindly to that. You and everybody else holds up some part of the ordinary you as your hero. And you believe these ordinary parts can be perfected. But it can't. There is no ordinary part of you that is heroic.
Here is another little update. I mentioned in my fictitious revolutionary code of conduct that you should stay out of debt. Debt is not simply fiscal. Literally, of course, it is true -- none of you have any business being in debt. But there are other aspects to this. You're in debt to people who you 3-dimensionally hate and you can't ever pay that debt off, yet you keep trying. Ordinary hate does not work. I've told you how to abandon it. It's like abandoning all debts -- it's not forgiving them, it's abandoning them. Whoever owes you, forget it. You'll never collect, and there's no profit in trying to analyze it away: "Well, perhaps they really didn't mistreat me that way." It's already implanted in part of your nervous system that they mistreated you -- that happened at city level.
There's no way to go back and undo the knot. You just have to abandon it. Up until now, you've tried to collect on such debts by increasing your hate, or getting revenge. But I've already told you -- it won't work. Blue Circuit abandonment is the only way to do it. What I'm describing metaphorically is the abandonment of debt. You don't forgive the debt, and you don't set it aside as if you'll collect at some other time. You abandon all debts -- then you're out of debt. And the only way you can get back in debt is by liking or disliking people -- that is not a revolutionist's view.
You either accept people, you tolerate them, or you abandon them. But the abandonment would be total. It would be a full 4-dimensional definition of the word "ignore." It's as if there were music being played while you were talking to someone, and he was someone who didn't like music. Later you ask, "What was playing on the radio while we were talking?" He says, "There was music playing? I didn't notice." When you truly abandon someone, you see them and you don't see them. The Yellow Circuit may want to remember them or does remember them, but they just don't exist. It's not a trick. You can do it. They exist in a 3-D world, but that's not where your consciousness is. The debt, the mistreatment, was enough in the 3-D world, but now you don't bank or do business there.